This country is in serious need of an enema…er, revolution. If I recall, it was Thomas Jefferson who once said “A revolution every now and then is a healthy thing”. It seems as though we have allowed the politicians to wield too much power for WAY too long.

Marco

As a veteran of the 82nd Airborne, your point is well taken.

“private in property refers to the legal right to exclude others from using it”

Have you been keeping up with the immanent domain problems now that government can use force to take “private” land from one person and give it to another if the government thinks it will increase tax revenue? I hold to my point, private property is a kingdom unto itself. The sovereign (source of law) land owner owes nothing beyond contractual agreements that he willingly enters into.

“legally changing your citizenship” this is a catch 22 effort. As a natural born creature of god I am endowed with inalienable rights not the least of which is the right to be left alone. Who would you file with if you are already sovereign? We do not live in a democracy. Thank God, America is a Constitutional Republic set up in such a way that natural born humans are the ultimate political authority over their own lives. The current de facto system has done a very good job brainwashing us to believe the artificial state has authority over us, but this simply is not the truth. I am not an anarchist, but I do trust people more than artificial constructs no matter what title they use.

“Because the market is amoral, where a (democratic) government is the moral temperature of the people.”

Very nice description of the market. However, again we do not live in a democracy. We are a republic, governed by the rule of law not the whim of a popularity contest. The rule of law breaks down when those in power refuse to follow the written law of the formative Constitution. Child pornography is an infringement of the natural rights of the child and therefor unconstitutional behavior and therefor illegal in our republic.

“the will of the people, as expressed through the administrative laws of the society, must through the government, be stronger then any market force within the country, or said market will simply bribe the government until it has a monopoly, destroying the free market.”

You are describing Roman Statutory law, not Constitutional law. The de facto legal system around here has spent the last 50 years at least trying to switch us from a country ruled by law, to a country ruled by arbitrary statutes that can flow with the whim of a majority. THAT is why we are in such a mess now. The statutory system is set up to accept bribes and is constantly for sale to the highest bidder.

Thanks again for taking the time to discuss this with me, I really needed a different point of view to hon my opinion.

The 3rd Amendment does not ensure the military has zero presence in the civilian world. It ensures that the military must not use its monopoly on force to avoid paying rent.

If consumers ultimately pay any tax placed upon business, then how is it wrong to tax the people directly?

“Private property is not private if you have to pay to keep it” That’s simply not true, nor is it to the point. The private in property refers to the legal right to exclude others from using it, not the right to not pay anyone for it.

“But, if I do not need or want the service then I cannot be “taxed” to pay for it anyway.” No. In a contract as simple as a cellphone contract, if you do not want or need a service which is inherent to the contract, you categorically CANNOT simply refuse to pay for the services you do not use. You must pay, or end the contract.

Your citizenship is a de facto contract with your government. If the government charges you for services you do not need, you may end the contract by leaving the country, and legally changing your citizenship.

Thankfully, since our country is not a business, you have third option of voting. (If, by the way, you don’t believe your vote counts, that is procedural problem with YOUR government and not implicit to all governance.)

“Stealing from one person in the name of helping another is socialism and has no place in America.” No, stealing is stealing. Taxes aren’t. The only way all taxes can be stealing is if all government illegitimate. If that is the case, then you believe anarchy.

“government thinks it can use force” Not thinks, CAN. That’s the whole purpose. Government IS a monopoly on force. Doesn’t that have enormous risk of abuse? Of course. So why do it?

Because the market is amoral, where a (democratic) government is the moral temperature of the people. The market is neither good nor evil, but simply provides whatever people want at whatever price they will pay. In a totally free market, child pornography, for instance, would be legal because there is a demand for it. Thus, the people create a group to have a monopoly-on-force that can be stronger then force of the market.

Though there would be advantages to government run on market principals (and we could use more market principals in the government we have) ultimately, the will of the people, as expressed through the administrative laws of the society, must through the government, be stronger then any market force within the country, or said market will simply bribe the government until it has a monopoly, destroying the free market.